Lewes Forum thread

I refer, of course, to the mean thin lipped Pictish hord we call Scotland. The union only happened because their hubristic South American Darien scheme flopped and we had to bail them out. Same with the Scottish banking fiasco and it is mostly Scottish, �197 billion exposure to toxic debt courtesy RBS whose bonkers acquisition of ABN (personally applauded by Salmon) he is now saying is our problem. (We had a Scottish PM and Chancellor at the time who were busily piling up more debts for us as well as not watching the shop). What`s the betting that the Pension black hole their years of stale socialism have left will also be 'British' not 'Scottish'.

Didn`t take them long ,after our generous union hand out to come down all tartan and "I`m greet m", with a Jacobite army which got as far as Derby. Typical.
They complain about 'English law in Scotland' whilst we put up with Scots Raj for ten years stuffed with Mac MPs treating us like mendicants at the desk of a fat moist lipped bank manager. They are prodigiously over represented in England whilst retaining Scotland for themselves (*put in own West Lothian Rant to taste*)

They are drunker, more violent and vastly more racist than we are, and the only time they have not been busily starting fights is when we packed the off to profiteer around the world as the chief beneficiaries of Empire.
They think of themselves romantic but their one poet is a novelty act of second rank which they don't read .Their misty eyed Nationalism was a cranky hobby until the first barrel of black stuff turned up and no amount of Barnett Formula hand outs will lance their greedy boil illusory though it is.

No English voice is allowed in Scottish public life whilst we happily submit to Scots infesting even nook and cranny, even our own Scottish MP Norman Mac Baker is always at the fore when it comes to giving up English rights either in Europe or to his fellow Scots. Hadrian's wall was the most fortified border in the Roman Empire, there is a reason for that!

They want referendum on Devo Max …,fine. I want a referendum where decide whether we want them at all, and if, we do, on what terms will continue to out up with the worlds nastiest Nation.
No Offence intended

Are you bored? or do you have no friends?

Yes, what have the Scots ever done for us? I mean, apart from inventing the steam engine, the bicycle, tarmac, the telephone, the television, penicillin, radar and insulin, what exactly have they done for us?
Bang on about the empire though. The Scots were all over it, far more than the English, something they seem keen to avoid mentioning.

and the haggis

Thomas Savery patented a steam engine in 1698
The bicycle descended from the Dandy horse and evolved on the continent.The tale of Scots Blacksmith is disputed
Bairds TV was rubbish and lead nowhere
Elisha Gray invented the Telephone, Bell just nipped in with a patent
Penicillin was 'discovered' and the effects reported in 1875 by John Tyndall
Radar was an evolution being pursued around the world and I don’t think you can reasonably attribute its invention to one man
The Haggis is Irish

Personally I would hate to see the union break up, it is true to say that the people of the four countries, in the main, have made a massive contribution to the world in which we live today. Possibly more than any other country in the world.
However if the Scots are determined to go their own way then it has to be a complete break, no financial income from England whatsoever. My instinct says no Scottish MP's in the English Parliament but am not sure how that would work. If a Scotsmen lives in England why should he not stand for office? Other nationalities do.
Scotland a truly beautiful country, with some lovely people but as with all countries a minority of nasty people like Salmon

I do believe our parliament currently represents the whole of the UK voting on matters which affect the whole of the UK. If Scotland was as useless to the UK as PN seems to believe, and such a drain, then why are the vast majority of British MP's in favour of the the continuance of the Union ? I also hate this assumption that only England pays for Scotland and that Scotland contributes nothing. UK taxes pay for all of us in the Union and are paid by all parts of the Union.

Paul I think you will find that it was actually the English aristocratic landlords who owned most of Scotland who forced through the Act of Union.

I really hope Scotland gets independence and forms a forward-thinking progressive country untainted by petty bourgeousie bigotted snobbery that seems to affect so many English.

'Scotland a truly beautiful country, with some lovely people but as with all countries a minority of nasty people like Salmon.'
I assume you mean Salmond. In what way do you see him as particularly 'nasty'. I mean, nastier than the public school bullies Cameron and Osborne? Not to mention the bully Brown or the war criminal Blair.

Nasty like a midge

Mercian, you list a number of marvellous inventions of Scottish folk. But they are all a little old aren't they?
Brixtonbelle. Scotland is a net drain on UK resources at the moment. Just look at the national accounts for each country. It is a statistical fact.
As to why most British MPs are in favour of a continuing Union, I don't know. Maybe because, like me, they don't look purely at the financial aspects. Also, a large number of British MPs are Conservative, with a big C, and they are in favour of the Union by definition.

I like the Scots and would happily go and live there if it wasn't for the weather and lack of daylight in winter.
I have no problems with them wanting to go it alone. Good luck to them.

As you decided to bang on about racism, try substituting the word "Jews" for Scots in your post. Surely even the Tories must be getting fed up with you. Have you tried the BNP?

BrixtonBelle - "Paul I think you will find that it was actually the English aristocratic landlords who owned most of Scotland who forced through the Act of Union."
Eh? What are you on about? The Scottish landlords were, well, Scottish. You have to go back to the 12th centruy or so to find Nomran nobles - like Robert the Bruce - who owned land in both England and Scotland.

the welsh hate us more

Paul Newman wrote: '...put "Jews" whenever anyone blames " bankers". After all the scapegoat rhetoric is precisely the same as the last time.'

There is a difference that you may not have noticed. 'Bankers' are a minority who got us into financial trouble through their own incompetence to satisfy their overweening greed. They choose to be bankers and expect us to bail them out. Jews are simply born Jews, have no choice about the matter, and have done nothing wrong by being born Jews. You're not very bright when it comes down to it, are you Paul? But that's got nothing to do with what race, religion or nationality you were born to.

according to dawkins it's impossible to be born a jew, or a muslim or a christian.these are just names we impose on ourselves as identity.No one should suffer abuse on their identity, just their actions.

.. really Cliffy, and at what clandestine meeting did the international cabal of money lenders decide they were going to undermine the work of honest toiling folk purely out of satanic greed? It echoes down the ages and I find your obvious discomfort highly amusing
By the way, whats next in your formidable intellectual armoury .. I mean how do you top "Your just a big stupid "?Go on Clifford I can`t wait for the next 'critique'. ... . toodles

I wonder if you would have approved of Oswald Moseley`s plan to take banking under National control

Of course banking ought to run by the State and owned by the people. It almost goes without saying. It should be free too. As all of our wages are paid into banks its daft to expect us to pay to get the stuff out or to use it. Only credit (debt) should not be free.

The calls for Scottish devolution/independence have given us all food for thought. It seems bizarre that Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland all have their own Parliaments, but England does not.
Then we could have an upper house that represented the whole UK and dealt with foreign relations, etc, (we certainly do not want four different sets of ambassadors, and similar toadies) and do away with the unelected House of Lords. Is there any other country that still has a hereditary/appointed Parliament?

deelite, be careful, it's one of pauls traps..if you agree then he can liken you to mosely, who was a nasty twerp.

Good to see the Tory line still being so fawningly toed by the fawning toad.

Just because Moseley was a fascist doesn't mean all his ideas were fascist ones.
Enoch Powell had dreadful views on race, but he managed to stop the mentally ill languishing in asylums for years on end. For a Tory, he was pretty reasonable health minister.