On Thu 28 Jun 2012 at: 09:53 Teachers Pet
Nice warm day today must be almost time for the public sector whingers to strike.............we kids deserve a break!
On Thu 28 Jun 2012 at: 17:30 Trevor
Yes that's right mock ordinary working people in the public sector - ignorant scumbag.
On Thu 28 Jun 2012 at: 18:42 Double Top
Top post Teachers pet!!!
Trev must be on a gravy train somewhere!!!
On Thu 28 Jun 2012 at: 18:58 Clifford
You are certainly top of the exclamation mark class, Double Top. Or should I say Teachers Pet???
On Fri 29 Jun 2012 at: 07:41 Deelite
Teachers Pet = Double Top = Conservative = Tosser
On Fri 29 Jun 2012 at: 10:39 Harry
Some public sector workers, in this town, are getting pay cuts of up to 25% because of the funding cuts caused by the banking crisis.
I think that's a pretty good reason to have a whinge.
I guess if you're Teachers Pet, you'd just tug your forelock and say 'Well, I trust you to do what's best for us, guv'nor."
On Fri 29 Jun 2012 at: 12:38 drone
Do not feed the trolls
On Fri 29 Jun 2012 at: 18:58 boris
Yet again I must point out that the current funding cuts we have in this country at the moment were caused by the fact that the Labour party spent 11 of it's 13 in office overspending. The banking crisis just bought this to a head.
On Fri 29 Jun 2012 at: 19:01 Deelite
And yet again you're wrong.
On Fri 29 Jun 2012 at: 19:03 boris
On Sat 30 Jun 2012 at: 10:55 Clifford
boris - is that why the Tories said in 2007 they'd match Labour's spending? You know, after ten years of what you call 'overspending'?
'A Conservative government would match Labour's projected public spending totals for the next three years, shadow chancellor George Osborne has said.' (3 September 2007)
On Sat 30 Jun 2012 at: 12:52 Deelite
Boris, there are many other countries facing funding cuts, many more extreme than ours. All suffered from the banking crisis, no others from our Labour Government.
On Sat 30 Jun 2012 at: 19:54 Clifford
I see Boris goes remarkably quiet when faced by the facts.
On Sat 30 Jun 2012 at: 19:58 Peter Byron
Labour loved the public sector, it guarenteed them votes, but alas, the good times have to be paid for, don't strike, be grateful for a salary at all, soon there will be no Public Sector Jobs, we are closing in on Greece, Spain and Ireland, trust me, I am a former banker.
On Sat 30 Jun 2012 at: 20:50 Boris
Hi lads, I did wait for a response but never got one last night and have only just opened the lap top.
Firstly I never said in my post that the Tories would have done anything different.
With regards to the other countries who have been hit badly, their governments also spent years overspending.
The point I was making was that when the s--t hit the fan in the banking sector every country, business and person who were living their lives on credit were left in the poo.
If the Labour party had run the country more efficiently over it's tenure we would not of had to borrow the amount of money that we were at the time of the credit crunch and therefore would have been less effected. AKA Australia.
The best way for a government to look after the less well off in society is to take great care with the economy and try and keep the country out of recession. The very people who are suffering now are the same people who if there was an election tomorrow would vote for the party who put them into this predicament . How ironic.
On Sat 30 Jun 2012 at: 21:25 Southover Queen
The whole world economy is in a mess; many of the left would say that capitalism appears to be broken.
The Labour party did not have the benefit of hindsight which of course you now employ. I hear the Tories complaining about the banking scandals and blaming it on regulation which was too lax. They conveniently forget that if they'd have had their way, there would have been no regulation (or virtually none) of the whole banking and financial services sector because the market must be free.
My perspective would be to point the finger at successive Tory governments who have historically cut deep into the social fabric of this nation, failed to invest in infrastructure and sold off the assets of the country in order to fund vast tax cuts. Then incoming Labour governments restore the balance in an attempt (often very flawed) to iron out desperate inequalities and claw some of it back. Thus the system seesaws, and the Tories have LIED. Consistently LIED.
There was little sense of the coming crash of 2009, and "the mess they inherited" was unheralded by most mainstream pundits at the time. Certainly the Tory cure doesn't seem to be working (and neither did it after the Thatcher regime, which funded much of their tax cuts through oil and asset stripping). It does seem to be sacrificing those least able to cope, while allowing full-scale fraud of billions to be perpetrated by the City of London. Double standards or what?
I don't like Conservatives because I think their politics are lacking in compassion and - in the case of this lot - are careless of the consequences. In fact I don't believe they think anything through at all, which is why we've had nothing but U turns this year. At least Thatcher had a narrative, even if it was fundamentally dishonest.
On Sat 30 Jun 2012 at: 22:13 Peter Byron
I don't vote, they are all a waste of time, but I do know that LABOUR has caused us to be in the worst crisis since the 30s, and worse times ahead, stock up on wine and tinned foods and batton down, the storm is arriving. Good luck folk, Peter
On Sat 30 Jun 2012 at: 22:35 Boris
Mrs Thatchers asset stripping was a result of the unions of those assets bringing the country to it's knees for a decade.
I personally think that it's great that the coalition are prepared to do u turns on policies. It shows they are listening. Which is what we all want isn't it?
On Sat 30 Jun 2012 at: 22:43 Southover Queen
It shows they're a bunch of headless chickens with absolutely no strategy, I'm afraid. Their sacrificial offering of Chloe Smith to "explain" the latest showed that beyond any doubt.
Thatcher's asset stripping was a naked ploy to bribe the electorate who are happy with jam today. How was selling off British Gas or BT or North Sea Oil down to the unions?
Don't forget that the generation who never found work during her regime are now parents of the next to suffer. The seeds of much of the conflict of today were sown during that period of greed.
I'm pleased that you acknowledge that Thatcher did indeed indulge in wholesale asset stripping though. That's a step in the right direction at any rate.
On Sat 30 Jun 2012 at: 23:47 boris
Bless you Southover Queen.
What university were you bought up in?
It took years for Mrs Thatcher to turn this country round after the Labour years of the 70's. Just like it will take the coalition years to turn it round after the Labour years of the 00's.
Left wing policy all ways ends in tears.
Please don't do me the diss service of posting that the new Labour government were not left wing.
On Sun 1 Jul 2012 at: 13:05 Clifford
Now you've woken up Boris, anything to say about: ''A Conservative government would match Labour's projected public spending totals for the next three years, shadow chancellor George Osborne has said.' (3 September 2007)'? I mean, the Tories wouldn't have promised to continue with Labour's 'overspending' would they?
On Sun 1 Jul 2012 at: 18:57 Southover Queen
Yes, well similarly I'd like an explanation of how the unions caused Thatcher to asset strip the nation to fund tax cuts...
On Sun 1 Jul 2012 at: 20:25 boris
Clifford, I am a fully paid up member of the Conservative party, however , there are statements made and many polices passed that I don't agree with. In the same way that I like certain initiatives put forward by the Labour party. It's called being level headed which is something that individuals from a left sided persuasion are clearly unable to be.
By selling off the likes of gas ,electric, water, railways etc it reduced the risk of the country being held to ransom by the evil unions. There were obviously other reasons for the sell off but the above was the point I was making.
Your theory on tax cuts is just left wing spin . Anyway what is so wrong with tax cuts, people putting their money back into the economy rather than the state.
I would like to apologise to you Southover Queen for being a bit patronising with regards to the university quip. I do however feel that people who go to uni do seem to be brain washed into left wing ideology. Where as as people like myself who left school and went straight into employment tend to be more to right.
On Sun 1 Jul 2012 at: 22:29 Expat two
Boris, your'e a bit all over the place aren't you.
Liking certain initiatives put forward by the Labour party is n't being level headed mate, Labour had plenty of right wing initiatives. Your erroneous view that Labour are a left wing party tells us nothing except where you stand.
You still haven't explained why the unions caused Thatcher to asset strip the nation. Being 'evil' isn't really good enough - you need to explain what you or, more accurately, what the Daily Mail thinks they did to force Thatcher into selling all our assets to foreign corporations at knock-down prices. The usual guff, that unions only ever want to destroy their own jobs and the country's economy, will only make you look more stupid, so avoid that line, try to think up something that makes sense.
Finally, I'd say you're not alone in thinking Universities brainwash students into the left wing. Its a lovely little conspiracy theory that nicely explains why the more intelligent are more often left leaning, while thickos are more of the right wing persuasion. The fact that intelligent people make different choices to you must be quite upsetting if you start thinking they're actually using intelligence to do it.
On Mon 2 Jul 2012 at: 19:30 boris
I answered the question on Mrs Thatcher selling off our so called assets. As far as I am concerned the Labour party we're to the left of centre. They spent,spent,spent gave everything to everyone the only difference Between them and the labour of the 70's was that instead of taxing the hell out of everyone they borrowed,borrowed,borrowed whichh takes us full circle back to where this argument started.
I'm intrested in your theory that anyone who didn't go to uni is a thicko
I have worked every day since leaving school, I'm not Rich but have 2 successfull busniness . Everything I have I've worked for , if that makes me a thicko then at least I'm a free thinking thicko.
So that's a 'no' then you can't explain how the unions forced Thatcher to sell assets, you can only say they did. Much as I suspected. 0 1
On Mon 2 Jul 2012 at: 20:48 expat two
But well done for twisting my words to mean something I didn't say - I didn't say people who don't go to university are thickos, I said Conservative voters are over represented by thickos - but at least you're an honest thicko, which makes you something of a rarity amongst the right wing.