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 Lewes parking appeal: tribunal beckons

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    On Thu 7 Jun 2012 at: 17:08 Angry Lewes Worker wrote:
    Hello,
    I'm sorry to bring parking up again.

    I have just posted off my appeal letter. I have elected for a tribunal hearing at Brighton court.

    I'd be interested to hear from anyone who has got this far without ESSCC caving in before. I'd also be interested to hear of any tactics that I might take at the hearing. I am not averse to making some sort of statement or the creation adverse publicity or even making some sort of test case.

    Succinctly. I park in Pinwell car park most days. Alway paying and displaying a ticket. On the day in question the ticket slipped beween the dashboard and the windscreen. The attendant did not see it. I could easily see the corner of it and noted it within a second or two of seeing the PCN. The scanned copies of the photos he took are not of sufficient quality to show the ticket, and I'm not certain he has taken one of where the ticket was anyway. I have supplied evidence that I bought a ticket on the day in question.

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    On Thu 7 Jun 2012 at: 18:14 Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
    Have you got a pic that shows the bit of the ticket that could be seen? That might help.
    I think they should allow any appeal where the driver can show they had a legitimate ticket, tbh. I fail to see how you can be held responsible for something that happens after you've left your car, especially as they have stupid non-sticky tickets.

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    On Thu 7 Jun 2012 at: 18:25 Southover Queen wrote:
    I agree about the tickets - I have an old transparent parking permit holder on my windscreen which is the perfect receptacle for these stupid little slips of paper. The longer ones don't fit into it, and I watch them curl up in the sun with considerable concern.

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    On Thu 7 Jun 2012 at: 19:11 Grumpy trader wrote:
    Cant help much ,but best of luck and let us all know how you get on , CEO 090 update , he's now trying to be the good cop , I have ask for info under the freedom of information act , as when I asked Ms P Mchugh ( the parking notice processing officer) to put in writing why my PCN had been cancelled she either couldn't or wouldn't do that , her office has now become part of the problem , in that it is very difficult to make any headway when you have to make a stand and see a complaint all the way through , I have asked if there is a guide to parking in lewes whilst staying within the law , such a thing is not available so I'm told , I only asked for this as every CEO and office you talk to you get a slightly different answer , almost like its a secret , also have email nsl on complaints procedure will see how long a response takes

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    On Thu 7 Jun 2012 at: 19:39 The Henchman wrote:
    I wonder why they call them Pay & DISPLAY carparks. The fact that you lazily placed your ticket in a stupid position where it could easily slip off and out of site is the fault of one person.
    Invest in a bulldog clip. You might even get one for nothing if your work place has an office. The clip will stop your ticket from sliding away or curling up in the sun. Problem sorted. Now look big and pay your fine and stop blaming everyone except yourself.

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    On Thu 7 Jun 2012 at: 20:55 Dave wrote:
    He did display it, it slipped off his dashboard later, he paid for the parking time he needed, he had no intention of evading the fee, why on earth should he pay a fine???
    Get with the program this is a nice small town not a totalitarian, no tolerance, police state where people need to be punished for nothing.
    Make a stand, do not let these petty, money making regulations rule your lives

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    On Thu 7 Jun 2012 at: 21:17 Lewesboy wrote:
    Henchman. Good idea ! Have you ever thought about going on dragons den with this idea? You may make millions not! Another stupid idea

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    On Thu 7 Jun 2012 at: 21:17 Lewesboy wrote:
    Henchman. Good idea ! Have you ever thought about going on dragons den with this idea? You may make millions not! Another stupid idea

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    On Thu 7 Jun 2012 at: 21:17 Lewesboy wrote:
    Henchman. Good idea ! Have you ever thought about going on dragons den with this idea? You may make millions not! Another stupid idea

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    On Thu 7 Jun 2012 at: 22:13 Henchman wrote:
    Another stupid idea? Tell you what. I'll use a clip while you get the fines and let's see who's stupid.

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    On Fri 8 Jun 2012 at: 00:07 Expat two wrote:
    Be careful ALW, you don't have proof you bought a ticket, you have proof someone bought a ticket. Without a sticky face this problem is more common than you think. Frankly, I don't fancy your chances, I reckon a magistrate will side with NCP, it'll be your fault you haven't accommodated their design flaws, they're here to make money, not make things easy for everyone. Considering the size of NCP, I find it highly unlikely they haven't executed a study finding that not putting a sticky face on the ticket provides an additional revenue stream. I also find it highly unlikely they haven't got legal teams or experience to know that the strategy will be, on balance, supported by the magistrates. Maybe not always, but enough to make it worthwhile. I wish you luck.
    Henchman, I like you, I like people who do exactly what they're told without questioning the ethics, morality or reasonable nature. I hope you continue to obey the rules like a good boy, and do all you can to help businesses make more and more money, and don't ever ever stick it to The Man. Keep it up son.

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    On Fri 8 Jun 2012 at: 07:52 Annette Curtin-Twitcher wrote:
    So everyone who comes to Lewes needs to armed with a bulldog clip to avoid getting parking fines.
    Perhaps all websites relating to our town and its many attractions should have this advice prominently displayed.

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    On Fri 8 Jun 2012 at: 09:46 Angry Lewes Worker wrote:
    The fact is I park in Pinwell every day. I have a string of tickets all with times starting at between 8.30 and 9.00am... including the one I had on that day.
    I wish I had had the wherewithal to take a photo of the ticket peeping out at the back of the dashboard but it didn't occur to me. I'm not sure how it would have provided much proof anyway. I could take a photo of a slipped ticket any time.

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    On Fri 8 Jun 2012 at: 10:18 Doomster wrote:
    I think the rule is quite simple, it's your responsibility to make sure a valid ticket is displayed. Part of the terms and conditions you accept when buying a ticket. Have you appealed before and go off a ticket? My son had a ticket blow off the dashboard when he shut the door and didn't notice. They cancelled that ticket with the proviso that it would be the one and only time.
    I suppose their view would be anyone could put an old ticket with the corner sticking out and then get a ticket from someone else that was parking and say it was theirs. If you're not careful you could end up as an 'Absolutely Furious and More Out Of Pocket Lewes Worker'. Fair or not.

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    On Fri 8 Jun 2012 at: 10:26 Angry Lewes Worker wrote:
    I think my point is that no-one is perfect and that we all make mistakes. A tiny mistake like that amongst 100s of days of no mistakes should not incur a fine. The parking scheme would work better with some give and take. As it is it's operated like some sort of bully-boy protection racket and gives Lewes bad aura.

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    On Fri 8 Jun 2012 at: 10:41 Southover Queen wrote:
    The parking scheme would work better if the tickets they issued were not tiny scraps of paper which blow away in the slightest puff of air (such as when you close the car door). Once upon a time the tickets had sticky tabs attached so they could be secured: odd how they've gone to be replaced by something infinitely inferior and which must generate quite a nice little extra income. Paranoid, moi?

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    On Fri 8 Jun 2012 at: 10:47 Angry Lewes Worker wrote:
    @ Doomster.
    "Part of the terms and conditions you accept when buying a ticket."

    So, if you don't agree with the terms and conditions you can't park in Lewes? Basically you have no choice *but* to agree the terms and conditions. In actuality they are imposed upon you.

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    On Fri 8 Jun 2012 at: 19:10 JUDGEMENT wrote:
    ALW - You did not pay and display by your own admission, if you had you would not be in this position, maybe you should check your ticket is clearly on display next time, thats all you have to do.
    It is not NCP's fault that your ticket was not displayed, yet you are acting like it is anyones fault but your own. I hope you get the costs awarded against you for wasting court time.

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    On Fri 8 Jun 2012 at: 19:36 Angry Lewes Worker wrote:
    I did pay and display, but then the ticket slipped. I have the ticket, and it's completely in-line with all my other daily tickets. Personally I think that should constitute enough 'proof' that I was not attempting to park for free..

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    On Fri 8 Jun 2012 at: 21:14 Lewesboy wrote:
    Little rumour says your in Cliffe on Saturday with little table selling clips?

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    On Fri 8 Jun 2012 at: 21:21 Grumpy trader wrote:
    ALW I had the same problem some time ago , although I didn't get to you stage , I sent all my consecutive tickets in with my appeal , the PCN was rescinded so this smacks of double standards , I think judgement must be a CEO by their attitude , yes displaying is part of the T/Cs but on your evidence it looks unlikely you were out to defraud the system , maybe we could start a group up , do some fund raising , so we have a few quid to pay costs , and hire a smart solicitor , any thoughts and the very best of luck

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    On Fri 8 Jun 2012 at: 23:59 Fairmeadow wrote:
    Fines should be for people who park in the wrong place, park without buying a ticket or overstay without a good excuse. That is, for people who are deliberately antisocial.
    East Sussex County Council (who work for you) should not fine anyone who does their best to follow sensible rules. You can't blame NCP for issuing a penalty notice to anyone who breaks even a technical rule. You CAN blame East Sussex County Council if they try to insist on moneygrubbing from people who have acted in good faith but made a trivial mistake, such as ALW. Remember, they work for you, and you elect the county councillors responsible for the system.
    Have you asked your county councillor what they think about the system, and what they are going to do to get this penalty notice withdrawn for you? They are paid to work for you - call on their services.

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    On Sat 9 Jun 2012 at: 06:08 sceptic wrote:
    Its true what some of the posts have said, their argument will be it could be someone elses ticket. Now if no one else has touched it since it came out of the machine it will only have your dna or fingerprints on. But seeing as this is not a murder case I doubt if the authorities would follow that up. Good luck anyway. to take all this trouble you must be genuine.

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    On Tue 12 Jun 2012 at: 19:01 Grumpy trader wrote:
    Would be very interested to know if anyone has had some funny phone calls after getting off a PCN ? ,

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    On Tue 12 Jun 2012 at: 20:34 sceptic wrote:
    Why, have you Grumpy Trader?

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    On Tue 12 Jun 2012 at: 21:45 Gt wrote:
    Yep,I have it he incoming number despite the attempts to disguise it

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    On Thu 14 Jun 2012 at: 12:59 brixtonbelle wrote:
    ALW - did you win your appeal ? Do let us know.

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